Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/02/2021 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:01:52 AM Start
09:04:37 AM State Debt Summary
10:15:33 AM Savings Accounts and Cash Flows
11:28:07 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Savings Accounts & Budget Reserves by TELECONFERENCED
Pam Leary, Treasury Director
+ State Debt & Investment Funds Update by TELECONFERENCED
Deven Mitchell, Debt Manager
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 2, 2021                                                                                           
                         9:01 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:01:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   called  the  Senate   Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 9:01 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson (via teleconference)                                                                                        
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Deven  Mitchell,   Department  of  Revenue,   Debt  Manager,                                                                    
Juneau;  Mike   Barnhill,  Department  of   Revenue,  Deputy                                                                    
Commissioner,  Juneau;  Pam  Leary, Department  of  Revenue,                                                                    
Treasury Director, Juneau.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
STATE DEBT SUMMARY                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SAVINGS ACCOUNTS and CASH FLOWS                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^STATE DEBT SUMMARY                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:04:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEVEN MITCHELL, DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, DEBT MANAGER, JUNEAU                                                                    
(via  teleconference),   presented,  "January   2021  Credit                                                                    
Review and  State Debt Summary"  (copy on file).  He pointed                                                                    
to slide 2, "State of Alaska and Other 49 States' Ratings."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked that the slide be put into rating                                                                        
order from highest rating to lowest rating. He also                                                                             
requested the dates of each rating downgrade.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:07:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell looked at slide 3, "Rating Challenges in                                                                           
2021":                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Political Challenge                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          ?Failure   to  resolve   the  ongoing   structural                                                                    
          deficit during  the 2021 Legislative  Session will                                                                    
          likely result in additional                                                                                           
          State credit downgrades                                                                                               
          ?Oil  price declines  have reduced  state revenues                                                                    
          and  created  significant fiscal  imbalance  since                                                                    
          2015                                                                                                                  
          ?Constitutional Budget Reserve  Fund (CBR) allowed                                                                    
          difficult decisions  to be deferred over  the last                                                                    
          five years, this is no longer an option                                                                               
          ?Reductions   to  general   fund  spending   while                                                                    
          significant,  have been  difficult to  achieve and                                                                    
          haven't eliminated the ongoing structural deficit                                                                     
          ?Gridlock  over  use  of Permanent  Fund  earnings                                                                    
          Permanent Fund Dividend vs. public services                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Financial Policies                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          ?Structured  5  percent  Percent of  Market  Value                                                                    
          (POMV) draw insufficient to  fully fund the budget                                                                    
          and the dividend                                                                                                      
          ?Statutory  conflict  between  POMV draw  and  PFD                                                                    
          formula                                                                                                               
          ?Lack  of  consensus  on  long  term  options  for                                                                    
          either  spending  less  money or  generating  more                                                                    
          revenue                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Rating Agency Concerns                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          ?Ongoing structural UGF  imbalance and reliance on                                                                    
          near depleted one time financial resources (CBRF)                                                                     
          ?Comparatively large net pension liability                                                                            
         ?Narrow economy that is relatively small                                                                               
          ?Perception   that   the   State's   economy   and                                                                    
          operating  revenues   are  primarily   reliant  on                                                                    
          petroleum development                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:12:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof noted that  there were only  three states                                                                    
that had  a worse  credit rating  than Alaska.  She remarked                                                                    
that  the governor's  proposal had  a $350  million GO  bond                                                                    
proposal, but  the revenue generated  by the state  would be                                                                    
used to  pay the  dividend. She queried  the details  of the                                                                    
examination by the rating agency.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  replied that  the state's  ability to  sell GO                                                                    
bonds was going to be in  place whether there was a solution                                                                    
to the fiscal situation or not.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:15:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman  queried  the  estimated  rating  from  Mr.                                                                    
Mitchell's perspective. He recalled  that the year prior had                                                                    
a $680 dividend, but the  governor was proposing three times                                                                    
that number.  He noted  that there was  a chart  prepared by                                                                    
the Legislative  Finance Division (LFD), which  would be the                                                                    
largest  appropriation  at  32  percent of  the  budget.  He                                                                    
stated that  it would  overdraw the  5 percent  by something                                                                    
larger  than 10  percent.  He queried  any  remarks on  that                                                                    
drastic move and its affect on the rating.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell responded  that  the impact  of  Covid 19  was                                                                    
recognized in all aspects, so  there was some mitigation for                                                                    
overdrawing of  the reserves for the  purpose of stimulating                                                                    
the economy  through dividend  distribution. He  stated that                                                                    
an overdrawing  of the Earnings Reserve  Account (ERA) would                                                                    
not be  seen favorably  by rating  analysts. He  stated that                                                                    
the   analysts  worked   with   other   agencies  that   had                                                                    
endowments,  like universities,  and  there were  guidelines                                                                    
for  reasonable withdrawals  of  the funds.  He stated  that                                                                    
there could be an impact on the rating.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Wielechowski  queried   the  debt   cost  of   the                                                                    
additional downgrade to the state's rating.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  responded  that   the  percentages  would  be                                                                    
nominal.  The cost  of  capital vs  the  downgrade may  only                                                                    
result in a small decrease.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked about downgrades.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell stated that it  was different from a mortgage -                                                                    
there  was a  rate  for every  year of  the  loan. Once  the                                                                    
maturities  were  sold,  they  did  not  adjust  for  credit                                                                    
ratings.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:21:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson  asked  about the  strength  of  the  Alaska                                                                    
Permanent Fund Corporation (APFC)  overall. He felt that the                                                                    
strength of APFC  should or could result in  a more positive                                                                    
rating.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  agreed, and recalled  a presentation  from the                                                                    
year prior which  showed that the state had  been working to                                                                    
further educate  the analysts the  strength of the  APFC. He                                                                    
noted that the  majority of UGF was coming  from a sovereign                                                                    
wealth  fund, so  there was  not a  reliance on  the state's                                                                    
economy. He noted  that focusing on the  state's economy was                                                                    
a   faulty  analysis,   because  of   the  more   than  3000                                                                    
investments that were making throughout the world.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  shared   calculations  based   on  the                                                                    
percentages.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski queried the  efforts to get the message                                                                    
out  about  the  credit  rating.  He  noted  that  the  next                                                                    
presentation had a number of  days that each state could run                                                                    
on total balances.  He remarked that Alaska  had the largest                                                                    
savings account in the country, by  far at over 170 days. He                                                                    
wondered whether  there could be  greater effort to  get the                                                                    
message out that Alaska was in good financial shape.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman felt  that the question was  better for the                                                                    
upcoming  presentation.  He  requested that  the  answer  be                                                                    
brief.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell stressed  that those points were  made in every                                                                    
ratings   presentation.   He   agreed   to   provide   those                                                                    
discussions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:27:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell presented  slide  4,  "Alaska's Most  Pressing                                                                    
Credit Rating Challenge":                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ?The CBRF receives additional dispute resolution                                                                           
     deposits and restricted earnings                                                                                           
     ?Post  FY2019, it  was determined  that adjustments  to                                                                    
     the  CBRF account  balance  was  necessary for  dispute                                                                    
     resolution   deposits  originally   deposited  to   the                                                                    
     General Fund                                                                                                               
     ?The Governor's budget has proposed drawing just $39.6                                                                     
     million from the CBRF for FY2022                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:33:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested another POMV column  be added to                                                                    
the slide  to clarify  the delineation. He  wondered whether                                                                    
there should be a  clarification about total revenues versus                                                                    
total expenditures.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell replied  in the  affirmative, and  shared that                                                                    
the net position would be  all revenue not only unrestricted                                                                    
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  believed  that  there   were  previous                                                                    
presentations that  showed that  the governor's  deficit was                                                                    
larger than  $39 million,  but rather  over $1  billion. She                                                                    
queried the location of the funds to cover the deficit.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  replied that the  $39 million draw on  the CBR                                                                    
was   prior   to   the   Permanent   Fund   Dividend   (PFD)                                                                    
distribution.  Therefore,  any   distribution  of  dividends                                                                    
would result  in a  higher deficit. He  added that  the only                                                                    
source to fund the PFD was the ERA.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:35:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof surmised that an  ad hoc draw from the ERA                                                                    
would  result  in  a  greater  amount  than  the  5  percent                                                                    
allotted for the POMV. She  wondered how the draw of greater                                                                    
than 5 percent would affect the state's ratings.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  replied that  it  would  "run afoul"  from  a                                                                    
ratings perspective for  the use of an  endowment. He stated                                                                    
that   it  could   make  sense,   however,  from   a  policy                                                                    
perspective.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  looked at  slide  6,  "State Debt  Obligation                                                                    
Process":                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
    All Forms of State Debt are Authorized First by law                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      May be a one-time issuance amount or a not to exceed                                                                      
     issuance limit in statute                                                                                                  
      General obligation bonds must then also be approved                                                                       
     by a majority of voters                                                                                                    
          General obligation bonds are the only debt                                                                            
          secured by full faith credit and taxing authority                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     All State Debt must be structured and authorized by                                                                        
     the State Bond Committee                                                                                                   
           Includes general obligation bonds, subject to                                                                        
          appropriation issues, and state revenue bonds                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The State  Bond Committee determines method  and timing                                                                    
     of debt issues  to best utilize the  state's credit and                                                                    
     debt  capacity while  meeting the  authorized project's                                                                    
     cash flow needs                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The State has established other debt obligations                                                                           
           Reimbursement Programs                                                                                               
               The School Debt Reimbursement Program or HB
               528 reimbursement                                                                                                
                    Not  currently authorized  for new  debt                                                                    
                    and   periodically   funded  (was   most                                                                    
                    recently  partially funded  in 2017  and                                                                    
                    2020,  no  appropriation in  the  FY2021                                                                    
                    Budget)                                                                                                     
           Retirement Systems                                                                                                   
               Unfunded   actuarially    assumed   liability                                                                    
               (UAAL) for defined benefit employees is                                                                          
              guaranteed by the Constitution                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
               Annual payments on the UAAL of other                                                                             
               employers is reflected as State debt in the                                                                      
               CAFR                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
               Some flexibility in how payments are made                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman felt that there should be a focus on the                                                                       
pertinent working issues in the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell highlighted  slide 7, "Total Debt  in Alaska at                                                                    
June  30, 2020."  He  shared  that the  table  was from  the                                                                    
state's debt book. He ran through the details of the slide.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  pointed to slide  8, "Total Debt in  Alaska at                                                                    
June 30, 2020."  He remarked that the  University was listed                                                                    
under Revenue  Bonds, and  further detailed  the information                                                                    
on the slide.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:46:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered whether the 2  percent refinancing                                                                    
interest   rates  was   a  possibility,   and  queried   the                                                                    
administration's position.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  responded that  the administration  was paying                                                                    
attention to the low interest  rates. He explained, however,                                                                    
that there was a difficulty  in refinancing bonds in advance                                                                    
of the call date. He  shared that, when municipal bonds were                                                                    
sold,  they were  almost always  sold with  a ten-year  hard                                                                    
call. He explained that those  bonds could not be refinanced                                                                    
for the  first ten  years, and only  bonds that  were mature                                                                    
after   the  first   ten  years   could   be  eligible   for                                                                    
refinancing.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson   wondered  whether  there  had   been  full                                                                    
repayment  of   the  $39   million  for   Alaska  Industrial                                                                    
Development  and  Export  Authority (AIDEA)  Revolving  Loan                                                                    
Fund, because he did not see it included in the list.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell agreed to provide that information.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:49:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  looked  at slide  9,  "Current  General  Fund                                                                    
Annual Payment Obligation":                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     GF Payment peaked in 2018 at $225.2 million                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Declining payment in every year (50 percent of peak in                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     PERS/TRS special funding payments grow, but less                                                                           
     dramatically                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     PERS TRS special funding is many times all other state                                                                     
     commitments                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof asked for  a restatement of the graphic in                                                                    
the slide with an overlay of the GO Bond.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell agreed to provide that information.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell highlighted slide 10, "UGF Budget Impact":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     UGF Budget  Impact of $350M  GO and $100M  AHFC Revenue                                                                    
     Bond Proposals Bond                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          GO BOND                                                                                                               
           Full Faith and credit of SOA                                                                                         
          Requires Legislative and Voter approval                                                                               
           First bond issuance likely in FY 2023                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Revenue Bond                                                                                                          
           Debt service is paid via revenues generated                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:56:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman remarked that there would be additional                                                                        
detail about the slide when the committee considered the                                                                        
capital budget. He requested a debt service schedule.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell looked at slide 11, "Limited State Short Term                                                                      
Debt Obligation Alternatives":                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Bond Anticipation Notes (AS 37.15.300 390)                                                                                 
      May be used when long term debt is authorized by law                                                                      
      While short term, it is  expected to be a precursor of                                                                    
     long term debt                                                                                                             
      May be  used to  avoid negative carry  in construction                                                                    
     funds,  better  match  long lived  projects  and  their                                                                    
     financing, or as an additional budget management tool                                                                      
      Directly impacts long term debt affordability                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Revenue Anticipation Notes (AS 43.08.010)                                                                                  
      May borrow  money when it  becomes necessary  in order                                                                    
     to  meet   appropriations  for   any  fiscal   year  in                                                                    
     anticipation  of the  collection  of  the revenues  for                                                                    
     that year                                                                                                                  
      All  notes and  interest  thereon shall  be paid  from                                                                    
     revenue by the  end of the fiscal  year next succeeding                                                                    
     the year in which the notes were issued                                                                                    
      May  be tax  exempt  if a  bona  fide revenue  deficit                                                                    
     occurs during the fiscal year                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Earnings  of the  Permanent  Fund  and other  available                                                                    
     fund earnings, will need to  be included in determining                                                                    
     if a revenue deficit occurs                                                                                                
      The State has not used since the late 1960s                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:00:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell addressed slide 13, "Debt Affordability                                                                            
Analysis":                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Annual  analysis   required  by  AS  37.07.045   to  be                                                                    
     delivered by January 31                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Discusses credit ratings,  current debt levels, history                                                                    
     and projections                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Relies  upon  debt  ratios,  limit  of  4  percent  for                                                                    
     directly paid  state debt, and 7  percent when combined                                                                    
     with municipal debt that the state supports                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
           Beginning  in  FY   2019  UGF  revenue  increased                                                                    
          significantly due  to reclassification  of certain                                                                    
          Permanent  Fund earnings.  Uncertainty about  this                                                                    
          revenue in future years  warranted reductions of 1                                                                    
          percent to debt ratios.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
    Identifies currently authorized, but unissued debt                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Establishes refinancing parameters                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Determines a long term debt  capacity at current rating                                                                    
     level                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Discusses,  but doesn't  define  a  capacity for  short                                                                    
     term debt                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Does not include  State Agency GO or  Revenue Bonds, or                                                                    
     SOA Revenue Bonds                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:04:19 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell pointed to slide 14, "Authorized Bonding                                                                           
Authority":                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     ?The State had no  authorized but unissued general fund                                                                    
     obligations (post GO Series 2020A issuance)                                                                                
     ? As of  June 30, 2020, the State  had debt obligations                                                                    
     secured and  paid by the general  fund of approximately                                                                    
     $727.3 million                                                                                                             
          ?$624.9 million of general obligation bonds,                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          ?$20.6 million  of Certificates  of Participation,                                                                    
          and                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          ?$182.6  million  of  lease revenue  bond  conduit                                                                    
          issues of political subdivisions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          ?The  2020 A  general obligation  bonds closed  on                                                                    
          August 5, 3030 in the amount of $84.56 million to                                                                     
          generate $110.3 million of project funding.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          ?The  2020   A  bonds   annual  debt   service  is                                                                    
          approximately $7 million per year.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered whether  there had  been issuance                                                                    
of all authorizations.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell replied in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman queried any concerns  about being timed out                                                                    
of the IRS rules about usage of the money.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell replied that he did not believe so.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested that answers be more succinct.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:05:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell  looked  at  slide   15,  "January  2021  Debt                                                                    
Affordability  Analysis." He  explained  that  there was  an                                                                    
estimated  capacity for  the state  at $1  billion with  the                                                                    
caveat the state might be  downgraded anyway. He shared that                                                                    
there was  a belief that  the state would not  be downgraded                                                                    
to the level  without progress on a fiscal plan  as a result                                                                    
of the  issuance of up to  $1 billion as part  of a ten-year                                                                    
capital program. He pointed out the details of the slide.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  pointed to slide 16,  "Authorized but Unissued                                                                    
State Debt":                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Currently there is no authorized but unissued direct                                                                       
     State debt (paid from the General Fund):                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          The  final  $110,348,242  in  authorized  GO  bond                                                                    
          funding  was issued  on August  5, 2020.  This was                                                                    
          the  final   tranche  of  funding  for   the  2012                                                                    
          Transportation Bond Act. There  is no remaining GO                                                                    
          bond issuance authority at this time.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          The  authorized  $300  million Knik  Arm  Crossing                                                                    
          State supported bond  structure was invalidated by                                                                    
          the  September  4,  2020 decision  of  the  Alaska                                                                    
          Supreme Court.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          The  authorized  $1   billion  Alaska  Tax  Credit                                                                    
          Certificate Bond Corporation  State supported bond                                                                    
          structure  was  invalidated  by the  September  4,                                                                    
          2020 decision of the Alaska Supreme Court.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          The   authorized  $1.5   billion  Alaska   Pension                                                                    
          Obligation Bond  Corporation State  supported bond                                                                    
          structure was invalidated by the                                                                                      
          September 4,  2020 decision of the  Alaska Supreme                                                                    
          Court.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          While   not   State    debt,   the   school   debt                                                                    
          reimbursement    program    is    not    currently                                                                    
          authorized.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   surmised   that   all   of   the   bond                                                                    
authorizations were now moot.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell replied in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  wondered  whether  there  should  be  a                                                                    
discussion about the Alaska Railroad Bond debt.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell replied  that he did not believe  that had been                                                                    
invalidated,  and  stated  that the  upcoming  slides  would                                                                    
address that question.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:09:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Mitchell highlighted  slide 18,  "State Supported  Debt                                                                    
Structure ATCCBC."  He explained that the  structure had the                                                                    
state  committing to  pay a  sub-entity  of the  state on  a                                                                    
subject-to-appropriation basis.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell  discussed slide 17, "ATCCBC  and Other Subject                                                                    
to Appropriation Debt":                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     ?The  Alaska Tax  Credit  Certificate Bond  Corporation                                                                    
     ('ATCCBC') was created  to re finance up  to $1 billion                                                                    
     of oil  and gas tax cred  its using a state  subject to                                                                    
     appropriation  credit pledge  bond structure,  but with                                                                    
     statutes  that also  allowed a  state moral  obligation                                                                    
     pledge even though it wouldn't likely be used.                                                                             
     ?On September 4, 2020, the  Alaska Supreme Court issued                                                                    
     a decision  that disallowed the  structure contemplated                                                                    
     for the Alaska Tax  Credit Certificate Bond Corporation                                                                    
     and  placed additional  limitations on  when the  State                                                                    
     can issue State Supported debt                                                                                             
     ?The  decision reaffirmed  the  Carr Gottstein  Supreme                                                                    
     Court  decision allowing  for  lease  purchase of  real                                                                    
     property    arrangements     like    certificates    of                                                                    
     participation or lease revenue bonds.                                                                                      
     ?  The expected  ATCCBC structure  involved the  ATCCBC                                                                    
     entering  a   contract  with   the  State   of  Alaska,                                                                    
     Department  of   Revenue  to  provide  funds   for  the                                                                    
     purchase  of the  discounted  credits  in exchange  for                                                                    
     future payments  (subject to appropriation).  The funds                                                                    
     provided  would   be  bond  proceeds  and   the  future                                                                    
     payments  would  be  equal   to  ATCCBC's  bonds'  debt                                                                    
     payments   which    would   be   subject    to   annual                                                                    
     appropriation.                                                                                                             
     ?Due to  similarity of structure  it is clear  that the                                                                    
     decision  also  rendered  the Pension  Obligation  Bond                                                                    
     Corporation, and the Toll Bridge  Revenue Bonds for the                                                                    
     Knik Arm Bridge, illegal                                                                                                   
     ?The  inclusion of  the moral  obligation construct  in                                                                    
     the  ATCCBC's statutory  structure resulted  in certain                                                                    
     broad  references  in  the decision  which  may  impact                                                                    
     other   bond  programs   with  constructs   that  while                                                                    
     fundamentally different from the  ATCCBC in both public                                                                    
     purpose and bond structure use moral obligation debt.                                                                      
       n September 28, 2020, the  State of Alaska Department                                                                    
     of Law filed a Petition  for Rehearing with the Supreme                                                                    
     Court in an  attempt to obtain clarity on  the scope of                                                                    
     the Court's intent in their decision                                                                                       
     ?The Court  has not yet  responded to the  Petition for                                                                    
     Rehearing                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Mitchell pointed to slide 19, "Moral Obligation                                                                             
Structure Alaska Municipal Bond Bank." He pointed to the                                                                        
pertinent information within the slide.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^SAVINGS ACCOUNTS and CASH FLOWS                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:15:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BARNHILL, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER,                                                                      
JUNEAU (via teleconference), introduced himself.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PAM LEARY, DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, TREASURY DIRECTOR, JUNEAU                                                                    
(via  teleconference), discussed,  "State of  Alaska; Update                                                                    
on the  State's Cash Reserve  Funds and Discussion  of State                                                                    
Cash Flows." She looked at slide 2, "Agenda":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     1. Update on Cash Reserve and Other Funds                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     2. State Cash Flows                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     3. Revenue Volatility Management                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary pointed  to slide 4, "FY22 Days  that Alaska could                                                                    
run on Total  Balances (Cash Reserve and  Other Funds)." She                                                                    
stated  that  the  slide  showed the  number  of  days  that                                                                    
"Alaska could run" on the total balances without revenue.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski wondered  whether there  was a  belief                                                                    
that AIDEA  could be  used when there  was an  exhaustion of                                                                    
the CBR.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary deferred to Mr. Barnhill.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill replied in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski asked  why AIDEA  was not  included in                                                                    
the slide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary replied  that  it was  not  included because  the                                                                    
slide  showed  funds   that  could  be  turned   to  by  the                                                                    
legislature in  "fairly short order."  She agreed  to update                                                                    
the slide to include AIDEA funds.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilson  asked whether the  use of those  funds would                                                                    
cripple AIDEA's ability to bond.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill responded that the  use of AIDEA funds for non-                                                                    
AIDEA purposes had negatively impacted  their bond rating in                                                                    
the  past, so  the use  of those  funds would  likely affect                                                                    
their rating in the future.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked whether  that explanation had address                                                                    
Senator Wielechowski's question.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski replied  that it  adequately addressed                                                                    
his question for the time being.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:20:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary addressed  slide 5, "Days Each State  Could Run on                                                                    
Total  Balances  in  FY  2019."   She  felt  that  the  2020                                                                    
comparison   would   look   somewhat  different   from   the                                                                    
representation  on  the slide.  She  noted  that, even  with                                                                    
large draws, Alaska  was second only to Wyoming  in terms of                                                                    
days that the state could run.  She noted that the median of                                                                    
each state  was up from  40.4 days in  2018 to 49.7  days in                                                                    
2019.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered whether of  the other states had a                                                                    
similar endowment  to Alaska,  relative to  the size  of the                                                                    
state such as the ERA.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  replied  that  Wyoming had  a  similar  type  of                                                                    
sovereign  fund. She  added that  there  were other  smaller                                                                    
sovereign endowments that were in  some of the other states,                                                                    
such as Texas and New Mexico.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski felt  that  the 178  days that  Alaska                                                                    
could function  figured approximately $11 million  a day. He                                                                    
remarked  that  it would  total  $2  billion in  assets.  He                                                                    
queried the accuracy of that calculation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary replied  that the amount was based on  a survey of                                                                    
all  states.  She   felt  that  number  was   based  on  the                                                                    
accessibility of funds in the CBR.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman requested the data of the slide's basis.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  looked at slide  6, "Cash Reserve  Comparisons to                                                                    
Other States":                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Although   uneven  across   states,  since   the  Great                                                                    
     Recession,  states have  increased  cash reserve  funds                                                                    
     with a median  balance of 7.9 percent in  2019 from 4.8                                                                    
     percent in  2008. Enacted FY21 percentages  targeted an                                                                    
     even higher  median percentage of 8.4  percent prior to                                                                    
     COVID 19.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.    Leary   highlighted    slide    7,   "Cash    Reserve                                                                    
Considerations":                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Cash reserves  range from  2 percent  to 20  percent of                                                                    
     General Fund  Expenditures and should reflect  the risk                                                                    
     volatility of the revenue stream                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     According to the PEW Trust,  the optimal savings target                                                                    
     of a state depends on three factors:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          The defined purpose of funds (cash flow, revenue                                                                      
          shortfall, combination)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          The volatility of a state's tax revenue                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          The  level of  coverage  similar  to an  insurance                                                                    
          policy  that the  state seeks  to provide  for its                                                                    
          budget  (how  likely is  a  10  percent vs.  a  50                                                                    
          percent revenue decline).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     All but  eight states  cap the  balance of  their fund.                                                                    
     The  cap  is  typically  based on  total  general  fund                                                                    
     revenues  (ranging from  a  cap of  2.5  percent to  15                                                                    
     percent) or total  general fund appropriations (ranging                                                                    
     from a cap of 2 percent to 20 percent).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     There is  a trade  off that needs  to be  considered in                                                                    
     determining the prudent balance of the fund.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     State  Revenue since  POMV implementation  has been  as                                                                    
     high as $5.3B (2019) and as low as $4.2B (2020)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman felt that the reserve number would be a                                                                        
focus, so Ms. Leary should take that into consideration.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary looked at slide 8, "Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                     
Fund (CBRF) Historical Invested Assets (in billions)":                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Data is at fiscal year end of June 30.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In 1990, voters  of Alaska adopted an  amendment to the                                                                    
     constitution creating the CBRF.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     CBRF   is   used   to    fund   temporary   cash   flow                                                                    
     expense/revenue mismatches.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CBRF  is  used   to  appropriate/cover  budget  revenue                                                                    
     shortfalls.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Appropriations from the CBRF must be repaid.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered why the Statutory Budget Reserve                                                                      
(SBR) was not included in the chart.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  replied that the  SBR was  a part of  the general                                                                    
fund, and was broken out  into portions. She stated that the                                                                    
SBR was managed  separately for a short period  of time, but                                                                    
was  then moved  back  into the  management  of the  general                                                                    
fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:30:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested that the delineation  of the SBR                                                                    
as a subcomponent  of the general fund  be incorporated into                                                                    
the slide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary agreed to provide that information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill shared that the SBR was depicted on slide 14.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  queried the  consequences of  not paying                                                                    
back the CBR.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   requested    the   timeframe   of   the                                                                    
amortization of the debt.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill explained that  it reflected the constitutional                                                                    
requirement  for  repayment of  the  CBR.  He stressed  that                                                                    
there was no time period or interest rate.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary discussed slide  9, "Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                    
Fund  Fiduciary  oversight:  Commissioner of  Revenue."  She                                                                    
stated that  the slide showed some  investment statistics on                                                                    
the CBR.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  addressed  slide 10,  "Power  Cost  Equalization                                                                    
(PCE) Historical Invested Assets (in millions)":                                                                                
     The purpose  of the  PCE Endowment  fund is  to provide                                                                    
     for a  long term stable financing  source that provides                                                                    
     affordable   levels  of   electric  utility   costs  in                                                                    
     otherwise high cost service areas of the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     5 percent  of the monthly  average market value  of the                                                                    
     fund   for  the   previous  3   fiscal  years   may  be                                                                    
     appropriated.  If  prior  years  earnings  exceed  this                                                                    
     amount,  70  percent  (not  to   exceed  $55M)  of  the                                                                    
     difference   can  be   spent   on  related   identified                                                                    
     programs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary highlighted  slide 11,  "Power Cost  Equalization                                                                    
Fund  Fiduciary  oversight:  Commissioner of  Revenue."  She                                                                    
noted  the 50  percent equity  and 40  percent fixed  income                                                                    
target asset  allocation. She  noted the  projected ten-year                                                                    
return of 5 percent, and the one-year rolling average.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson wondered  why  the PCE  fund  had been  flat                                                                    
since  2018.  He also  asked  why  the projection  had  been                                                                    
reduced from the year prior.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:35:38 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  replied  that  since  2016  the  fund  had  been                                                                    
increasing,  because of  the returns  and  the growth  rate,                                                                    
which  were  just  slightly above  the  appropriations.  She                                                                    
shared that the target date  returns were developed with the                                                                    
team with  the commissioner's  approval. She stated  that in                                                                    
the  recent  year,   there  was  a  slight   change  in  the                                                                    
allocation and the target of each asset classes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  remarked that the funds  would be detailed                                                                    
later in the legislative session.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary pointed  to slide  12,  "Alaska Higher  Education                                                                    
Investment  Fund  (AHEIF)  Historical  Invested  Assets  (in                                                                    
millions)":                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     On September 1, 2012, the  AHEIF was capitalized with a                                                                    
     $400  million  deposit  from  receipts  of  the  Alaska                                                                    
     Housing Capital  Corporation for  use in  paying Alaska                                                                    
     Performance   Scholarship  Awards   and  AlaskAdvantage                                                                    
     Education Grants.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Leary  looked at  slide  13,  "Alaska Higher  Education                                                                    
Investment   Fund  Fiduciary   oversight:  Commissioner   of                                                                    
Revenue."  She  noted   that  the  fund  had   a  high  risk                                                                    
tolerance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman queried the definition of "high risk."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary agreed to provide  that information, and explained                                                                    
that  there  was a  range  within  the definition  of  "high                                                                    
risk."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  remarked  that there  was  a  significant                                                                    
allocation difference.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:40:37 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary pointed to slide  14, "General Fund and Other Non-                                                                    
Segregated Investments (GeFONSI)  Historical Invested Assets                                                                    
(in billions):                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     GeFONSI includes the General Fund and Other Non                                                                            
     segregated funds invested in a pool environment (GF                                                                        
     proper= $400 million).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     GeFONSI II was created in 2018 to target a higher risk                                                                     
     return profile for a subset of funds.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman requested  a chart  with the  SBR included                                                                    
with the  CBR. He remarked  that there were  different views                                                                    
in  the  committee  related to  those  accounts  as  savings                                                                    
mechanisms. He noted  that in 2012, GeFONSI  had $9 billion,                                                                    
and was now currently at  $3.5 billion. He remarked that the                                                                    
SBR had been liquidated from  $2.6 billion to zero. He asked                                                                    
about the magnitude of decline in GeFONSI.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  replied that there  was a combination  of factors                                                                    
that resulted in  the difference. She stressed  that some of                                                                    
the  funds in  GeFONSI had  higher balances,  and had  since                                                                    
been managed  to a lower  amount. She stated that  there was                                                                    
not  as "strict  an eye"  in  maintaining the  money in  the                                                                    
operating account. She stated  that the management had since                                                                    
been more  structural to maintain  in terms of  calling cash                                                                    
to the operating  fund for payment day to  day expenses. She                                                                    
pointed  out that  the slide  included the  Higher Education                                                                    
Fund,  so there  was  approximately $400  million since  its                                                                    
inception.  She  remarked  that   the  number  was  actually                                                                    
currently $2.5 billion.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman wondered where the funds were distributed.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary replied  that the funds were spent,  and there was                                                                    
not as  rigorous an  effort to maintain  a lower  balance in                                                                    
the general fund. She agreed  to provide a comparison of the                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:45:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  remarked that  he was concerned  about the                                                                    
"burn rate of cash." He queried  the actual burn rate of the                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  remarked  that there  was  a cost  shift                                                                    
between undesignated  to designated  general funds  (UGF and                                                                    
DGF).  She  remarked  that  there  could  appear  to  be  an                                                                    
elimination of programs, but the fund source had a shift.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman stated that work was done on that subject.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary presented  slide 15, "General Fund  and other non-                                                                    
segregated   investments  (GeFONSI   I  and   II)  Fiduciary                                                                    
oversight:  Commissioner of  Revenue."  She  noted that  the                                                                    
combined total was $2.5 billion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof feared that  the Callan projection was too                                                                    
high when  there was a  point of the  low rate. She  did not                                                                    
believe  that there  would be  a significant  return on  the                                                                    
investment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:49:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  pointed to  slide 16,  "Public School  Trust Fund                                                                    
(PSTF) Historical Invested Assets (in millions)":                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The  PSTF  was  established   in  1978,  replacing  the                                                                    
     territorial  era public  school  land grant  originally                                                                    
     created  by congress  in  1915, by  a  transfer of  the                                                                    
     balance from the permanent school trust.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Following passage  of HB 213  in 2018, the fund  is now                                                                    
     managed  as  one fund,  under  a  percentage of  market                                                                    
     value  method (5  percent of  the average  market value                                                                    
     for  the 5  years  preceding the  last previous  fiscal                                                                    
     year).                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  highlighted slide 17, "Public  School Trust Fund,                                                                    
Fiduciary oversight: Commissioner  of Revenue." She remarked                                                                    
that the  slide showed  a slightly  higher risk.  The target                                                                    
allocation included a target of equity to fixed income.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   requested  a   slide  that   showed  the                                                                    
allocation  to   the  fixed  income   with  the   same  risk                                                                    
allocation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary agreed to provide that information.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof recalled that  there was a bill passed the                                                                    
previous year about the lottery  for the Public School Trust                                                                    
Fund. She asked if any of the money would go to that fund.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  replied that it  was purely the earnings  of fund                                                                    
offsetting  the appropriation.  She  noted  that there  were                                                                    
separate funds set aside for the lottery.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  added that  the state  funds were  invested by                                                                    
the DOR commissioner.  He remarked that there  had been some                                                                    
advice  to add  a layer  of governance,  and he  pointed out                                                                    
that there had been governance  applied to those funds since                                                                    
that request.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman assumed  the governance  was used  for not                                                                    
only Public Employees' Retirement  System (PERS) and Teacher                                                                    
Retirement  System  (TRS),  but   also  to  assist  the  DOR                                                                    
commissioner in other decisions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  replied that the  governance would  advise the                                                                    
commissioner  with respect  to the  investment of  the state                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   felt  the  governance  would   help  the                                                                    
commissioner to  make better  decisions. He  understood that                                                                    
decisions  might not  be the  most profitable  in hindsight,                                                                    
but  the   commissioner  could  show  a   rationale  to  the                                                                    
decision.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:56:01 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary addressed slide 18,  " Public Employees Retirement                                                                    
System and Teachers Retirement System  (PRS and TRS) Pension                                                                    
and Health Defined Benefit  Plans Historical Invested Assets                                                                    
(in billions0":                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska Retirement Management Board (ARMB) is a 9                                                                       
     person board that is the fiduciary of the state's                                                                          
     pension and health systems.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The defined benefit plans currently experiences net                                                                        
     outflows from the funds.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The 36 year return Average for PRS/TRS was 8.91                                                                            
     percent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary pointed to slide  19, "Public Employees Retirement                                                                    
System and Teachers  Retirement System, Fiduciary oversight:                                                                    
Alaska Retirement Management Board."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  requested a similar pie  chart for the                                                                    
AIDEA account.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   agreed,    and   would   acquire   that                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  replied the Treasury  Division did  not manage                                                                    
the  AIDEA  funds,  but  would reach  out  to  provide  that                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  stated  that  the  information  would  be                                                                    
helpful if it were correlated together in the presentation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:00:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary looked at slide 21, "Cash vs. Accrual balances":                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Cash balance is what you have in the bank at a given                                                                       
     point in time.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Accrual  balance  is  what you  have  earned  and  what                                                                    
     liabilities have  been incurred  at a  particular point                                                                    
     in time.  It is  what you should  have at  a particular                                                                    
     point  in   time  after   all  expected   receipts  and                                                                    
     expenditures come in and out.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Treasury fund balances are cash balances, not what is                                                                      
     available to spend.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary discussed slide 22, "SOA Treasury Cash Flow":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Cash Inflows                                                                                                               
          ?Tax Revenues                                                                                                         
               ?Oil and Gas, Excise, Other                                                                                      
          ?Federal Dollars                                                                                                      
               ?Grants, Medicaid, FHWA, Education, Other                                                                        
          ?Earnings Reserve Funds                                                                                               
          ?Agency Receipts                                                                                                      
               ?Fees, Licenses, Permits, Fines, Other                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Cash Outflows                                                                                                              
          ?School Education Payments                                                                                            
          ?Payroll and Pension Payments                                                                                         
          ?Vendor Payments                                                                                                      
          ?Medicaid Payments                                                                                                    
          ?External Program Grant Payments                                                                                      
          ? Debt Service Payments Cash Outflows                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski recalled testimony about corporate                                                                         
income tax payments, and queried the source of that money.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary replied that the money would come from the                                                                            
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski wondered whether that payment required                                                                     
a legislative appropriation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill replied that it did not require an                                                                                 
appropriation, but was a reversal of the payment to the                                                                         
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary highlighted slide 23, "Cash Flow Deficiencies":                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Prior to  1985, most unrestricted revenues  flowed into                                                                    
     and stayed in the General Fund for expenditure.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Over  time,   the  legislature  has   established  many                                                                    
     subfunds  to  segregate  cash for  budgeting  purposes,                                                                    
     resulting  in less  cash available  to pay  day to  day                                                                    
     operating costs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Expenditures  can occur  prior to  receipt of  revenue,                                                                    
     resulting in cash flow timing mismatches:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Federal    programs    require   expenditures    before                                                                    
     reimbursement.                                                                                                             
          i.e. Medicaid, Transportation, etc.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Beginning of year appropriation  transfers do not match                                                                    
     incoming revenue.                                                                                                          
          i.e. State pension payments, transfers to sub                                                                         
          funds                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Seasonal Cash Flow needs.                                                                                                  
          i.e. Summer is the peak season for construction                                                                       
          projects and seasonal workers.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:06:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski  wondered   whether  the  corporations                                                                    
would be  receiving the same  net operating loss  refunds on                                                                    
both the state and federal taxes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill replied that they did  not have a line of sight                                                                    
on  federal  income  tax  impacts,  but  agreed  to  provide                                                                    
further information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski was  not convinced  that the  payments                                                                    
did  not  require  legislative  appropriation.  He  did  not                                                                    
believe that it was a simple accounting issue.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman remarked  that the  issue would  be worked                                                                    
through for clarity.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski recalled that  the department was aware                                                                    
of  the issue  in  the  previous May,  and  wondered why  no                                                                    
action had been taken to fix the situation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  that the  department  address  the                                                                    
timeline of the approach to the issue.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill stated that the  payment system had not changed                                                                    
since he had been with the department.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11:10:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  pointed to slide 24,  "Cash Deficiency Memorandum                                                                    
of Understanding":                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Developed in 1994 between DOR, DOA, OMB and LAW.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Updated as needed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Targets $400m minimum cash threshold in the General                                                                        
     Fund proper.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Outlines procedures for addressing cash flow timing                                                                        
     mismatches:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Develop monthly cash projections.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
         Monitor daily general fund cash balances.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Perform temporary inter fund borrowing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
               Transfer from SBR, CBR and ERA or sub funds.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In the event of revenue shortfall:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Seek legislative action through the Governor to                                                                       
          access additional funds through appropriation                                                                         
          from other Cash Reserve Funds discussed above.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Prioritize disbursements, restrict expenditures.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof assumed that  the update was  between the                                                                    
legislature and DOR. She asked  whether the department would                                                                    
submit   a   proposal   of   the   updated   memorandum   of                                                                    
understanding (MOU).                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary  replied that  the MOU was  between the  DOR, OMB,                                                                    
and  LAW.  She  explained  that it  was  updated  as  needed                                                                    
according to changes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof wondered whether  the legislature would be                                                                    
involved  in the  process,  or  whether it  was  based on  a                                                                    
threshold.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  replied that  there was an  attempt to  draw a                                                                    
clear distinction  between cash flow timing  mismatches. The                                                                    
slide showed the expectation of revenue delivery.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman hoped  that the  committee would  have the                                                                    
information to anticipate the shortfall.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary commented on the MOU.  She stated that the job was                                                                    
to  forecast the  cashflow, and  she recalled  a cap  on the                                                                    
amount of  borrowing that resulted in  the department asking                                                                    
the  legislature  to  mitigate the  determination  of  which                                                                    
expenditures would get payment.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary looked at slide 25, "Cash Flow Deficiencies":                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Use of budget reserve funds has been the solution of                                                                       
    cash flow timing mismatches and revenue shortfalls.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Appropriations From Reserve funds                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          The Legislature includes language annually in the                                                                     
          operating budget appropriating budget reserve                                                                         
          funds for revenue shortfalls.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               Treasury has relied on this appropriation to                                                                     
               authorize  use  of  budget reserve  funds  to                                                                    
               address timing cash flow mismatches as well.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          The CBRF was fully repaid by FY10.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
          Borrowing from the CBRF recommenced in FY14.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Per FY19 CAFR $12.6B is owed to CBRF.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
11:19:11 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary looked at slide 27, "Revenue Volatility has                                                                           
transitioned and now comes from":                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Commodity Volatility                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Petroleum revenues are 19 percent of FY22                                                                             
          projected unrestricted general fund revenues.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Uncertainty exists "in year" for FY22.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          Will always have in year uncertainty because we                                                                       
          base budget on in year oil collections.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Investment Return Volatility                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Investment earnings are 72 percent of FY22                                                                            
          projected unrestricted general fund revenues.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Certainty exists today for FY22 (lagging POMV                                                                         
          formula).                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Uncertainty today for FY23 and beyond.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Barnhill   furthered   that  through   previous   2018                                                                    
legislation, SB  26, the state had  dramatically reduced its                                                                    
revenue volatility. He stated  that there was some certainty                                                                    
for a  fiscal year,  and he thanked  the committee  for that                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary pointed to slide 28, "Volatility Management                                                                           
Techniques":                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Access Cash Reserve and Other Funds (CBR and other                                                                         
     fund balances).                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Modernize fiscal tools to include lines of credit in                                                                       
     addition to revenue anticipation notes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Manage timing of Earnings Reserve Account transfers to                                                                     
     the General Fund.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Manage timing of expenditures.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  stressed that  the  money supported  the                                                                    
economy, and people depended on that money.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
11:24:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Leary highlighted slide 29, "Take Aways":                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Declining cash reserves will continue to be a concern                                                                      
     if budget deficits continue.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Even if the budget is balanced, and all revenue is                                                                         
     received, cash flow timing mismatches will occur.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Cash flow forecasting is always wrong.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Revenue shortfalls may occur if forecasted assumptions                                                                     
     are wrong.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Higher revenue volatility requires greater cash                                                                            
     reserves until volatility decreases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Volatility management techniques are available.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
11:25:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   wondered   whether  a   redefining   of                                                                    
structural deficit could be a solution.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  stated that, given the  structural deficit the                                                                    
basic  tools  were  new  revenues,  budget  reductions,  and                                                                    
changing the PFD formula.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   recalled   that  there   had   been   a                                                                    
presentation that  showed future deficits couched  as future                                                                    
revenues. He  did not  believe that  defining it  as revenue                                                                    
would be helpful for DOR to make its payments.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
11:28:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 11:28 a.m.                                                                                         

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